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Dear Mr. O'Connell: Hello.
My name is Todd Skinner (Woodstock 14-Ebay). I
purchased a Korde Baluch from you a number of years
back and was the individual who was given
the incorrect identification(mentioned on your web
site under baluch) for the rug until it was
corrected. I love the piece and have no complaints
only Praise because it was so important to you to have
the information correct! I understand that I may be
taking liberty in contacting you directly but I am hoping
that I might get your expertise on identifying
a recent rug purchase. I purchased this long rug in
Istanbul. It was sold to me as a kazak which it may
very well be and I should have asked for more
history but the ship was leaving and I was rushed.
I have read with interest your site& the memos on
Oriental Rug Review on kurd-shahsavan-caucasian
id. and would love it if you could give me your best
shot on this one. The rug is 3.11 x 8.9
with wool weft and warp 2 shots of salmon and some
light tan weft as shown in the picture Its has
three plies ( 2 ivory 1brown) wool warp and
about 48 knots. Anything in the pictures give
you a clue? Hort shows a shashavan with
a similar main area leaf and sprig coloring-saw a
similar border designs in a sauj-balugh-but the
coloring looks south caucasian. Also notice the coroded
brown backround of the entire border design leaving
a sculpted effect even with a generous
pile. I read Eagletons book which indicated the
three strands of wool may make the piece more likely
caucasian than kurd except for bijar. I need your
help! I care about getting it right or as close as
I can. Feel free to share the info with your
fellow experts if you don't see a most likely
id. I probably should join the yahoo group but need
a bit more expertise to be a true ruggie!
Detail of Back Knot - Turkish (symmetric) Construction - I rigid weft and one sinuous weft between each row of knot The rug is 3.11 x 8.9 with wool weft and warp 2 shots of salmon and some light tan weft as shown in the picture Its has three plys ( 2 ivory 1brown) wool warp and about 48 knots. Some of the Responses to this rug. From: KRocklin@aol.com barry - this mystery rug is kurdish in my opinion. in terms of georgraphical origin, it is "transcaucasian". azerbajani or northwest persian will do as well. the minor border associates it with a group we used to call karadagh, altho europeans usually say karaje or karaja, which i dont think is useful as there is another distinct group that falls into this category. since both are villages they are only loose attributions in either case. if the photo is accurate the rich colors and what ill bet is excellent wool also support its kurdish nature. however, what really nails it down is the field design. this is a very ancient design and can be found in old tiles. I remember over 20 years ago discussing this design with dealers and collectors in connection with identifying kurdish rugs and bags. some groups may also use it, but usually because of intermarriage or intermingling with kurds. for example, baktiari and lurs, who splintered off from the kurds centuries ago and frequently lived in the same areas, as they do today. keith rocklin From:
"georgepostrozny" < georgep@intercomm.com
> todd's mystery rug would be considered
kurdish because of the burnished gold From: "don
wheeler" <cwheeler@optonline.net> Hi Folks, Besides the color quality, all that remains to be seen for a more accurate geographic determination is what type of wool it is employing. Is it of the "fleecy spongy" type , or the longer, straighter, silky, high sheen type ? My guess is the latter, and if that is correct it would point towards a Karadaghtype of Kurd (though not the other NW village type called Karaja as Keith has already pointed out. that type usually has the Karaja type medalions and the finest sheenest wool I have seen in any rug) The border colors (and design) are
reminiscent of fine bag faces I've seen that I suspected
were Turkish or Azeri in origin, while the gold field is Lovely rug, have to go now, bye all, don wheeler From: "don
wheeler" <cwheeler@optonline.net> Thanks for the wealth of information Keith. The "Karadagh" rugs have always been a mystery to me and any bit of information is helpful. I was trying to describe the wool quality on some kurd types. I wish my vocabulary had words adequate to describe types and qualities of wool characteristics. Because it is so lacking I have to resort to comparison with known types. I am new to this group and am loving reading more about rugs again. I retired in 1975, and have a lot of
catching up to do. I just assembled a collection of 115
Hali magazines and will start with them. From: "yesterday20785"
<yesterday20785@yahoo.com> Hello, Thanks and best wishes, J. Barry O'Connell Jr. |
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